Friday, October 8, 2010

THE 9/11 ATTACKS & THE BEGINNING OF MY LONG GOODBYE

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For most intents and purposes, this blog (as well as my other blog, the frivolous 'Stuffs' ) will cease publishing by the end of 2010. I've had enough! Enough of your apathy - your lack of interest in the serious matters; enough of your lack of concern for your fellow man; and enough of your dogmatic, Pavlovian party-affiliation reaction to political issues. In short, I've had enough of YOU!

I certainly did not start this blog under the delusion that I was going to change the world. But I did (mistakenly) think I might change the world-view of some readers. I did believe that some of the persons who visited here would find my positions seemingly informed and intriguing. At least intriguing enough to go out and acquire and read some of the books I repeatedly recommend.

The Analytics system installed on this blog shows me that over time there has been no shortage of visitors to Ferret-Faced Fascist Friends. But how many of them have had their viewpoints impacted by what I've posted here? How many of them have interacted with me? How many have bothered to investigate further some of my seemingly wild claims only to discover that I was correct in my assessment after all, and then returned to tell me so? The answer is: None, or nearly none.

And I think I know the primary reason why. Patrick Henry said:

We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth ... For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and to provide for it.

Very sadly, there are few Americans left with the stuff of Patrick Henry. Most Americans would rather stick their head in the sand - or better yet, paste it to their TV screen - than face the cold, hard, unpleasant truths of this nation and of this world and then work to change things. I mean, REALLY change things - not "change" things as in voting for some friggin' Marxist to occupy the White House and lead us yet further away from the government established by our Founding Fathers. (Gee, I know... maybe you should have voted for the CFR member John McCain instead. Yuk!-Yuk!)

I have said it a million times. This makes a million and one. Like Patrick Henry . . .

I would rather KNOW an unpleasant truth than BELIEVE a pleasant lie.

Yeah, you can talk all you want about your conservatism, your Constitutionalism, your Christianity, your respect for "Family Values", but what are you DOING about them?

Even more sadly, the reaction I've received from my supposed friends leaves me extremely disheartened. The first step is self-education, and with only a few exceptions (namely, Br'er Marc, Ol' WP, and The Great L.C.) my own friends wouldn't even go out and buy and read the books I've recommended. Or take just a few hours to watch some of the DVDs I've urged them to see.

Which brings me to the point of this post. Again - AGAIN! - I am urging everyone to rent, buy or steal the documentaries LOOSE CHANGE: AN AMERICAN COUP and 9/11: PRESS FOR TRUTH. Maybe if I say it enough times someone will actually do it, for crying-out-loud!

What follows is the message written by Daniel Sunjata which appears in the booklet included with the LOOSE CHANGE: AN AMERICAN COUP documentary. Sunjata is the movie's narrator as well as an actor known for his role in the TV series 'Rescue Me'. I have borrowed the following from the website 911Blogger.Com, and they borrowed it from the 'Loose Change' booklet itself [minor grammatical errors and misspellings intact]. Thanks, 911Blogger, for saving me the time of retyping all this.

The only thing I have altered from the 911Blogger posting is to break the statement up into additional paragraphs for easier online reading. Yes, Sunjata's message is fairly lengthy - as a subject this important demands - and since neither he nor I were named J.K. Rowling or Dan Brown, you will probably find it too long to read completely. I'm not surprised. This blog's "Followers" and visitors have made their habits well known to me by now. Yeah, I know: you don't have the time; you can't be bothered; or, insert YOUR excuse here: ________.
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INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY IN THE AGE OF UNIVERSAL DECEIT: A Message To The Corporate Media And Our Elected Officials.
By Daniel Sunjata - May 4, 2009
[Posted by http://www.911blogger.com/]

"The inert masses are mentally and spiritually ill equipped to deal with reality, so they block it out of their minds - aided of course, by the corporate media and the propaganda apparatus of the government itself. This is why fantasy is frequently substituted for reality, plutocracy is mistaken for democracy, and the majority of the people do not know the difference. Millions of good people thus refuse to allow into their psyche the suffering and misery that U.S. policies have produced and exported to the world, even as that reality is closing in upon them."
- Charles Sullivan

"They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality...and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening."
- George Orwell, 1984

“Article XXXIV OBSTRUCTION OF INVESTIGATION INTO THE ATTACKS OF SEPTEMBER 11, 2001”
- From the 35 articles of impeachment introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives on 06/09/08 in H.Res. 1258 by Congressman Dennis Kucinich

The list is not a short one. It includes professors, architects, aerospace and aviation professionals, structural / mechanical / & aeronautical engineers, demolition experts, firefighters and other first responders, scientists, theologians, senior members of both the military and intelligence communities, Republican administration appointees, state department veterans, and other government officials from the United States and abroad; credible experts of impeccable pedigree with impressive track records from relevant fields of expertise, whose coolly rational intellects are not easily given to an unfounded belief in outlandish, unsubstantiated, or unverifiable claims. Individuals such as these are numbered among the ranks of skeptics and critics of the official theory of conspiracy regarding the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. Some pose questions, others draw conclusions, still others (like Congressman Kucinich) go so far as to level accusations and to substantiate them with evidence.

Organizations like Medical Professionals for 9/11 Truth (MP911truth.org), Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth (AE911Truth.org), Lawyers for 911 Truth (L911T.com), The Journal of 9/11 Studies (journalof911studies.com), Pilots for 911 Truth (PilotsFor911Truth.org), Fire Fighters for 911 Truth (FireFightersFor911Truth.org), and Veterans for 911 Truth (V911T.org), have posted carefully crafted signing statements for all the world to see, and online petitions calling for a new and independent investigation with power of subpoena. Their unanswered questions, the consequent implications that arise, and the fundamental inadequacies they point out in the official reports issued by FEMA, NIST, and the now infamous 9/11 Commission are disturbing to say the very least. Even more disturbing, however, is the corporate media’s revolving door of silence and violence with which those who pose such questions have been greeted. In most cases they are completely ignored, and what might otherwise be front-page news goes virtually unreported.

Feigned and transparently disingenuous gestures aimed at affecting the appearance of fair and balanced news coverage occasionally result in an arguably credible expert being granted an interview only to be condescended to, constantly interrupted, shouted down, and verbally abused in the process. Examples abound. Thus, in spite of having shouted their findings from the proverbial rooftops for years, and in spite of such notorious historical precedents as the now declassified Operation Northwoods, there has yet to be any substantive debate, journalistically integrous investigation, or scrutinous inquiry by the establishment or its media into the claim that 9/11 bears all the hallmarks of a complex covert operation of state intelligence; false flag terror; an inside job.

This is not to say, however, that the issue has gone entirely unaddressed by mainstream sources. Hand in hand with the marginalization of informed dissent and deep concern expressed by qualified skeptics like Lt. Col. Robert M. Bowman, PhD (Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter), Paul Craig Roberts (Assistant Sect. Of Treasury under Pres. Reagan), Lynn Margulis (National Medal of Science recipient), James Quintiere (former Chief of NISTs Fire Science Division), Commander Ralph Kolstad, U.S. Navy (retired fighter pilot and Topgun Air Combat Instructor), and Sibel Edmonds (former FBI translator specializing in counter-terror, and gag-ordered whistleblower) is the corporate media’s rabid eagerness to confront, shame, condemn, and discredit celebrities and other citizens who have tried to draw public attention to the same issue.

Marion Cotilliard, Martin and Charlie Sheen, Rosie O’Donnell, Ed Asner, Willie Nelson, and former Governor Jesse Ventura among many others, have uniformly fallen under swift and venomous attack upon questioning the official theory of conspiracy, and for daring to utter the blasphemous assertion (recently echoed in sentiments expressed by Melissa Rossi in her recent Huffington Post article titled ‘Obama: Reopen The 911 Investigation’) that a new investigation is warranted given the innumerable inconsistencies, omissions, and outright distortions that permeate the aforementioned "official" reports.

Unfairly attacked based not upon the substance of the arguments they have advanced, but rather upon the basis of inane irrelevancies related to their private lives and public personas, they have been dismissed out of pocket as paranoid conspiracy fanatics, drug addicts, Nazis, and narcissists who should stick to playing their position as entertainers and leave the thinking up to the grown-ups when it comes to things they could not possibly understand. This is the classic ad hominem approach - to dismiss the source as a means to dismissing the message.

Consequently, nothing of what they have actually said has been given its due diligence by our supposedly free press. Even though their questions and conclusions rest upon broad-shouldered analysis, expert testimony, diligent research, peer reviewed scientific studies (most notably that of Danish scientist Niels Harrit, whose findings on undetonated nano-thermite explosive residues found in WTC dust samples can be read online in The Open Chemical Physics Journal), and a preponderance of other damning forensic and circumstantial evidence, such prominent skeptics have been greeted with outright hostility and the most virulent brands of journalistic irresponsibility and intellectual dishonesty.

This in fact is anti-journalism; the exact opposite of what one would expect to find in a society aspiring to exemplify the democratic ideal. If I didn’t know any better, I might think that such tactics were being employed just to shut these experts and celebrities up, and to keep the general public from paying them any mind. I might think that childish insults, character assassination, reductionist clich├ęs, insipid platitudes, necessary illusions and emotionally potent oversimplifications had taken the place of journalistic integrity, objective scrutiny, and investigative rigor.

For instance, when Joe Scarborough covers a story about a 9/11 demonstrator being arrested during an appearance by Bill Clinton in Corpus Christi, and he and his MSNBC ‘Morning Joe’ co-hosts utter things like “Where is the taser? Tase him!” and “Led away in handcuffs…hopefully taken to one of those secret prisons in Eastern Europe and never to be heard from again. I hope we have a special prison for 9/11 conspiracy theorists” it is quite difficult to grant them high scores for anything other than spewing fascistic rhetoric. Similarly only willful ignorance or a deliberate contempt for accuracy and logic can explain Glen Beck’s lumping together of Congressmen, law abiding citizens, highly decorated military personnel, prominent artists, and CIA veterans with violent radicals, in sweeping statements such as his ridiculous contention that 9/11 activists are “insane, dangerous anarchists” who comprise “"the kind of group a Timothy McVeigh would come from."

It is an easily verifiable fact that in the thousands of 9/11 protests that have taken place since 2001, not a single individual has ever been arrested for violent conduct or convicted of a violent crime. It is also, shall we say, less than candid to assert that a movement whose implicit moral imperative arises from a desire to protect constitutional integrity could in any way be considered anarchistic in nature. Also, in one of the most irresponsible acts of journalism on record, Geraldo Rivera conflated the notoriously non-violent 9/11 activist community with terrorists in the following statement he made on FOX News Channel’s ‘FOX and Friends’ program while covering the 03/08 Times Square Bombing of a US Armed Forces recruiting station:

"I think that this bomber isn't Al Qaeda, isn't anything like that... He's more like those '9/11 was an inside job' kind of guys... Protesting in a violent way, but in a violent way almost like the eco-terrorists... where they don't intend to inflict casualties."

The most egregious examples of this type of filth masquerading as responsible news commentary can perhaps be found emanating from the twisted and blusterous mouth of Bill O’Reilly. When the story broke that Mark Cuban, owner of the Dallas Mavericks, was set to finance the distribution of ‘Loose Change 911’ (the most downloaded documentary in internet history) with Charlie Sheen set to narrate, O’Reilly (conceding his hypocrisy by admitting to not having seen the film or looked at the evidence) responded by unleashing a blitzkrieg of idiotic non-sequiturs, calculated ambiguities, and thinly veiled threats. After an erroneous and lame attempt to dismiss and discredit 9/11 Truth as “lunacy” from the “far-left fringe” (the movement transcends both liberality and conservatism alike, is a mainstream phenomenon, and its basic premise is in fact eminently sane), he compounded his ignorance by comparing 9/11-dissent to Nazi propaganda and holocaust denial. Like…dude…SERIOUSLY?!

It is the very height of disingenuity to suggest that by demanding truth and accountability one is somehow offending and dishonoring the victims or their families, when the only way to honor them is by finding out the truth and holding the guilty parties responsible for their crimes. It would be more apt to compare Nazi propagandists and holocaust deniers to an administration that skewed intelligence about Iraq in order to fear-monger the American people into supporting the doctrine of preemption, while evading the initiation of any official inquiry into the most catastrophic day in our nations history, for 441 days. Either O’Reilly didn’t know or he didn’t care to know that Bill Doyle, founder of World Trade Center United Family Group (one of the largest 9/11 victims’ family organizations, comprised of over 7000 members from 2,573 families) believes that the government was complicit in the attacks.

He has also publicly stated that at least half of his members harbor deep suspicions about what happened on 9/11 and why. Mr. Bill also saw fit to put Mark Cuban and Charlie Sheen on notice, so to speak. Sounding not altogether unlike a mafia don threatening to issue a hit, O’Reilly states "this is a warning to Mark Cuban, who is distributing that film in a few weeks. This is a warning to you Bud, okay, you pull that movie or I'm gonna be your worst nightmare, because this is gonna lead to death." “We're looking out for you, Charlie Sheen. Don't do this. You're not going to come back from it, if you do…”

As I said, examples abound. Such pathetically transparent diversionary tactics smack of cowardice and a reluctance to engage the subject of 9/11 based upon the facts at hand, and have no place in the realm of professional journalism (or info-tainment as the case may be). This must cease. If we are to have any hope of change as a nation, then we must recognize that turning the page on one of the darkest chapters in American governmental history without having properly read it, would be a grave and disastrous error. Regardless of how inconvenient, uncomfortable, or outlandish the implications may at first appear, this subject demands to be substantively addressed, free of spin or bias, for neither it nor its advocates are going to just fade away. Only a ship of fools would blatantly disregard the opinions of such highly qualified and erudite critics as those listed on sites like patriotsquestion911.com without closely examining their actual and factual claims.

Now that Judiciary Committee Chairman Senator Patrick Leahy has officially introduced a proposal to investigate the Bush administration for war-crimes and the subversion of Constitutional Law, it stands to reason that 9/11 should also be soberly looked into once and for all. Given the swirling cloud of criminal accusations and populist rage regarding the legalization of torture, the illegal wiretapping of American civilians (including the intentional targeting of journalists and intellectuals according to NSA whistleblower Russell Tice) as well as other allegations of treasonous conduct, and taking into consideration the claims, statements, and research of critical thinkers across a wide spectrum of expertise who publicly doubt the government’s official explanation, it shouldn't (although apparently it does) take a rocket scientist to see the disturbingly plausible connections between the inside job hypothesis and every Orwellian legislative and militaristic act for which 9/11 and its victims have been invoked as justification.

Indeed the logic of context is fundamentally derailed by the prevailing ring-pass-not approach of investigating every area to which 9/11 is crucially relevant and intimately related, while treating the subject itself as sacrosanct. Clearly this should be part of any investigation into the alleged criminality of the previous administration; indeed it should be given priority. This above all else is President Obama’s litmus test of integrity and the quintessence of this nation’s hope for change. For if 9/11 was in fact an inside job, then it places all of the evils that flowed from and followed that event into vivid contextual focus. Bogus claims of executive privilege should offer no protection to those towards whom the preponderance of evidence points; chips fall where they may.

My own reasons for speaking out on this issue are fairly simple. I didn’t choose it; it chose me. Upon being hired to act the part of a post-9/11 NYC firefighter on Rescue Me, my research for the character led me to take a more objective look at what actually happened versus what we were told in the wake of the event. Nothing added up. No matter from which angle I approached 911, it invariably unraveled into contradictions and inconsistencies requiring the suspension of my logic and common sense in addition to several laws of physics. Slowly I came to the determination that I had no choice but to speak out, because (as Franco Rivera) I presume to represent the memories of the heroes who died that day, as well as the reality of the heroes who still mourn their loss. I work with these men; looking them daily in the eye. Therefore it is a citizen’s act of moral conscience and social responsibility, nothing more.

To know or even to merely suspect, and yet remain silent, would be anti-American, unpatriotic, and tantamount to betrayal. Therefore this is no stunt on my part to gain publicity or to garner attention for myself by appearing edgy and controversial. Believe it or not, I rather covet my relative anonymity as a quasi-celebrity/working actor.

I would much rather direct media and public attention to those most credible dissenting experts who have looked at and analyzed the facts (circumstantial as well as forensic) and found that they do not fit the government’s theory of conspiracy. People like Professor Emeritus David Ray Griffin, Richard Gage (AIA), Physics Professor Steven Jones (co-author of the above mentioned peer reviewed study proving that explosives were in fact used to implode the WTC towers as well as WTC 7), William Christison (former CIA Station Chief and Director of Regional and Political Analysis), Ray McGovern (27 year CIA vet., and former Chair of National Intelligence Estimates), Coleen Rowley (former F.B.I. Special Agent and Minneapolis Division Counsel), and Sibel Edmonds must be given fair and open forums on mainstream media platforms, as well as access to those with the power and responsibility to reopen the 9/11 investigation; or rather, to finally conduct one as the case may be. Until that happens we will not be silent. We will not go away. We will not submit.
~ Daniel Sunjata


For your information (not that any of you really wish to know) a second DVD on the 9/11 attacks which I highly recommend every truly patriotic American to view is '9/11: Press For Truth'.
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If God doesn't judge America, He will have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah.
~ Billy Graham

"I'm so pissed off at the American people; I'm so pissed off at this government because of this cover-up!"
~ Bob McIlvaine (from '9/11: Press For Truth')

Hear!-Hear!, Mr. McIlvaine. Hear!-Hear!

America! You do not deserve even the small remnants of your Founding Fathers' genius. If there's a God in Heaven (and I'm thoroughly convinced there is), He will remove from you the remainder of your liberty. Of course, as long as He doesn't take away from you your television sets, your J.K. Rowling and Dan Brown books, and your bullshit "big boy toys", you probably won't even care.
America! You make me ill.

~ Stephen T. McCarthy
'Loyal American Underground'

Links:
Loose Change: An American Coup
9/11: Press For Truth
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YE OLDE COMMENT POLICY: All comments, pro and con, are welcome. However, ad hominem attacks and disrespectful epithets will not be tolerated (read: "posted"). After all, this isn’t Amazon.com, so I don’t have to put up with that kind of bovine excrement.
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29 comments:

  1. Did you see that Jimmy Johnson got voted off of "Survivor?"

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  2. Sorry, Stephen-that last comment was in bad taste considering your mood!

    I would encourage any reader to watch these DVD's-they are well worth the time, and will at least make you question what has been force-fed you.

    It may not convince you there was a government conspiracy to murder 5,000 innocent American citizens in order to push a Middle Eastern foreign policy that would further drain the wealth away from our middle class and further a Socialist agenda...

    ...but it will make you consider the possibility.

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  3. chartsandgrafs@yahoo.comOctober 8, 2010 at 9:21 PM

    You must be temporarily insane to consider shutting this blog down. Believe me, you are reaching people both directly and indirectly and helping to fuel the increasing spread of information necessary to the burgeoning freedom movement.

    Directly: I found your book reviews while browsing Amazon last year and have read bits and pieces of at least ten of the books you've recommended. Some of that reading has even helped me find other books you didn't recommend, stuff I never would have conceived of just two years ago. Needless to say, your words have been instrumental in helping me put the pieces of the puzzle together.

    Indirectly: With much credit to your book recommendations and blog, my increased knowledge and understanding of how the U.S. political and monetary systems operate has helped me communicate better with dozens of other people in my personal and online discussions. A few of them are now starting to put the pieces of the puzzle together on their own through the books YOU ultimately recommended. Griffin, Epperson, Allen, Skousen... People are becoming informed, and you have helped pave the way.

    I'll ask you to reconsider your decision to discontinue this blog. Just because you don't get the feedback you are looking for in your personal interactions doesn't mean you aren't making a difference. The traces of knowledge you've left behind on Amazon, for instance, are still working their residual magic in getting the uninformed sheeple to read books they otherwise wouldn't have heard about. This blog compliments those book reviews in a major way. Believe me. I am proof of that.

    You're an American patriot with a gift for stringing words together in a way that isn't boring or repellent. You have 1 in a 1000 talent. Use it. Keep this blog or some other blog like it going. There aren't enough people like you providing your level of analytical skill in such an entertaining style of writing. In short, you are needed more than you can possibly know.

    Keep up the good fight. It's what Senator McCarthy would ask of you.

    C&G

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  4. I'm slightly dizzy. I think my head is spinning. No, I haven't been drinking.

    I'm serious - the room seems like it's tilting or shifting side to side slightly. I'll go to bed and reexamine these comments tomorrow. I'm not up to it right now. That comment is too much for me.

    C&G (whoever in the world you are), that was a low blow dragging Senator McCarthy into this. You don't fight fair!

    OK, I'm still dizzy - really - off to bed.

    ~ D-FensDogg
    'Loyal American Underground'

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  5. McLC ~
    You're right, the first comment wasn't exactly what I was in the mood for. I wouldn't take offense, however, because I know you were just playing the part of "the sheeple", much the same way I did with my comment in the blog bit: (Gee, I know... maybe you should have voted for the CFR member John McCain instead. Yuk!-Yuk!)

    But timing is everything, eh?

    And you're also right that the documentaries mentioned in this blog bit will not PROVE to anyone that 9/11 was an inside job. That has not been proven yet by anyone, because if it had been, King George Bush, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice, et al. would be in prison today. It will never be proven until there is a thorough and objective investigation into exactly what happened on that day.

    But no reasonably intelligent person can view those two documentaries and not come away convinced that there is something wrong - DRASTICALLY wrong! - with Uncle Sam's version of what happened on 9/11.

    Furthermore, the hope is that after viewing those movies, the patriotic American will decide to read a book or two in order to get not just an overview but a more detailed understanding of the events on that day and leading up to it.

    I've seen and read enough to KNOW that our government lied to the American People, not once, but many times. I KNOW that a massive cover-up of the facts has occurred and that there is complicity on the part of the mainstream media with regards to that cover-up. And I am as fully CONVINCED as I can possibly be short of absolute proof that 9/11 was an inside job involving certain persons and elements of the United States Government.

    World Trade Center Tower #7 was itself not just a smoking building but a smoking gun! How a structure like that could just collapse controlled-demolition style without even the flimsy excuse of burning airliner fuel to explain it, and how the government could offer NO reasonable explanation for it, and how the American People could just ignore what they saw with their own eyes and not even DEMAND an explanation for it - that alone says plenty about what happened and what the American People have deliberately chosen NOT TO SEE!

    And that is why I, like Bob McIlvaine, am "so pissed off at the American people." They just don't give a sh#t about knowing the truth. Of course, if they personally had a son or daughter who died in one of the Towers on 9/11, or had a firefighting son who died during that disaster, THEN maybe the truth would matter to them more. And that comes back to what I said in this blog bit about an American's "lack of concern for" their "fellow man." There should be more than just a handful of us screaming about this injustice from seldom seen blogs!

    For anyone who is genuinely interested in knowing the truth about 9/11, I think these documentaries will do more than make him or her "consider the possibility" (as you said) that there was a government conspiracy to murder innocent Americans; I think they should make him or her "highly suspicious" that there was.

    ~ D-FensDogg
    'Loyal American Underground'

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  6. Part 1 Of 2:

    To: C&G ~
    My head is still woozy and I'm not thinking as clearly as usual. I am either experiencing an allergy attack or this is the onset of a cold (hopefully not the latter) exacerbated by the unexpected shock of your comment.

    Who are you? A friend of mine assuming a fake identity in order to trick me into not closing down this blog? Or truly a stranger who has been invisibly following this blog? Have you been a regular reader? Have you read the majority of the blog bits posted here at 'Ferret-Faced Fascist Friends'?

    Well, first of all, I must profusely and GREATLY thank you for your comment! I am currently feeling very low and mean and that was EXACTLY the sort of thing I needed to hear from someone.

    It's a bit odd, but last March when I was feeling similar to the way I feel today, a stranger named Edward suddenly posted a very complimentary comment like yours which restored my faith in this blog:

    http://xtremelyun-pcandunrepentant.blogspot.com/2008/06/stop-being-useful-idiot.html

    C&G, I appreciate what you have written MORE THAN YOU COULD IMAGINE! Naturally, you make me wonder if there might be others out there, quietly, invisibly following this blog unbeknownst to me. And if so, how many?

    But people need to understand that a person can't just keep writing and pouring so much energy and passion into a blog like this if they don't periodically receive some feedback assuring them that they are reaching others. One cannot seemingly write in a void and keep up their enthusiasm enough to continue it indefinitely.

    And that is why it is so important that readers occasionally reach out and contact the writer, letting him or her know that their efforts are not all in vain. I don't mean that I need a regular dose of comments as complimentary as yours was, but I - we! - need SOME feedback in order to know that the words are having SOME effect. Otherwise the writer becomes dogged by the impression that it's just words in the wind and all for naught.

    I appreciate no end what you have written, C&G, I only wish you hadn't waited until I announced I'm quitting before letting me know that you were out there.

    To be honest, my friend, after - what? - two and half years of maintaining this blog, two and a half years of pouring so much of my energy into it, to find it has only 13 registered "Followers" (of which only 2 or 3 of them really read it regularly and comment), and to find that some of my own friends won't even regularly visit it for one reason or another, well, THAT is totally discouraging. You have no idea how depressing it can be.

    And then to find some Leftist blogger like "The Excremental Cowboy" (great nickname, r-LEE-b!) posting long pieces of ...crap... but with two to three hundered blog "Followers" and readers regularly commenting on his long-winded selective accusations, it makes me feel I'm either definitely doing something wrong, or else The People REALLY don't at all want to know the political reality. But either way, I'm forced to conclude that I'm just spinning my wheels when I could be out bike riding. (See what I did there? Yes, the same sort of wordplay that appears on 'Stuffs' appears on 'F-FFF'!)

    At any rate, my friend, I thank you so much for making your presence known, and I thank you for your wonderful words of encouragement. They came as a very welcome surprise.

    Continued Below...

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  7. Part 2 Of 2:

    C&G, truthfully, I have a few more "major" blog bits in mind for F-FFF (including one very angry piece about the U.S. Military which I have been threatening to post for a year and a half now), and I intend to have these up before year end. I've kind of felt that after that, I will have said all I've really needed to say, and would take a well deserved break ("semi-retirement" I've been calling it) from blogging.

    But your comment does force me to at least reconsider this plan. In fact, you've given me the idea to post a new blog bit asking any invisible readers such as yourself who MIGHT be out there, to come out of the woodwork and identify themselves. In this way, I can better gauge whether or not I really do have a bigger regular but invisibly lurking readership than has ever even occurred to me. Are there other "C&Gs" out there? Or are you it?

    I don't know how much more I have to say anyway, friend. I had figured I might "retire" but pop back in every blue moon with a new installment of "Sex, Tattoos & Violence R Us", or with wisecracks about some future topical, hot-in-the-news subject.

    I'm not sure now what to do. Your comment throws a small monkey wrench into the works and your remark about Senator McCarthy hit me hard. But if you only knew how tired and discouraged I've become...

    Well, C&G, you've got me thinking anyway. And I believe you've been the inspiration for a new blog bit which I may try to get posted as early as tomorrow. A blog bit seeking to determine the size of my anonymous readership - if my blog actually has such a thing.

    But for now, I say thanks yet again, and ask you not to remain in the shadows. Where have you posted online? Do you have a blog of your own? Can you provide me with links to some of your own internet writings? Maybe it's just time for you to take the torch from me and carry it forward?... You know, a man can only run so long.

    ~ D-FensDogg
    'Loyal American Underground'

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  8. To Stephen T. McCarthy:

    I am nobody of special note to you. Just an eager seeker of knowledge and reasoned viewpoints who found you through Amazon, just like many other people have, I'll assume. The only notable connection between us is our (unfortunate?) city of residence. Like you, I live in the Phoenix area. To be more precise, Peoria.

    To address some of your points with a little input of my own...

    - On only having 13 followers:

    I wouldn't put too much stock in that number. The majority is always silent. Take me for instance. I've been reading your blog for almost a year but didn't put in the effort to become a follower until last month, and I did it because I didn't think 12 was enough for such a quality blog.

    For every follower I bet you have a handful of others who are too lazy to make it official. In fact, I bet some shadowy lurker will someday read my comments here and make themselves a follower just to officially increase your number of followers.

    - On why your blog has fewer followers than lesser blogs:

    You have to admit the subject matter being discussed here requires a 'secret decoder ring', of sorts. It's the forbidden knowledge. The high-hanging, almost unreachable fruit. The messy stuff under the rug. Out of sight, out of mind. Etc...

    This is a formidable problem to overcome. If I had to estimate the percentage of society who truly understands what it is you are attempting to communicate here, I'd put the number at well under 5%.

    Nearly everybody doing political, historical, and philosophical research on the internet is unfortunately armed with the false, left-right, Democrat-Republican worldview conditioned into them through public education and Big Media repetition, so they end up looking for information sources they can process. Your site isn't one of those information sources. For people to make use of this blog, there are certain prerequisites needed that can't be learned very easily or without prolonged effort. Your task here is comparable to trying to teach calculus to a bunch of math students whose arithmetic education ended in the 6th grade (and was taught to them by a physical education "teacher"). "Behind the 8 ball" comes to mind.

    None of this is your fault. My only recommendation is for you to remember that many of your potential readers don't understand what you are trying to communicate to them, so it might be best to incorporate some of the prerequisite knowledge into each of your blog posts.

    ...continued...

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  9. - As for me:

    I don't have a blog, however, I do post in a small number of discussion forums - both pro-state and anti-state. I have found that this keeps my brain sharp and engaged, especially when I know an argument of mine has hit home. I'd probably grow depressed without that outlet, you know, just reading and absorbing the scope of the problem that the people of this country face.

    - On carrying the torch forward for you:

    Ha! That would be like a lifetime .200 hitter trying to carry the torch forward for Ted Williams. I'd rather stay on the bench, thank you very much!

    I am not a writer. My brain is wired for analysis, not communication, and that's just how it is and always will be. You, on the other hand, combine BOTH skills, which is why this blog and others like it are so important.

    To share another thought with you, I believe you should absolutely consider writing a book tying all the threads of the one-world government conspiracy together, but in your own biting, humorous style. The freedom movement has tons of serious, solemn, and apocalyptic. What it needs is the "NWO for Dummies" approach. Somebody who can build up the uninformed while also connecting the dots for the fully-informed. There are chunks of this blog that are good enough to be in such a book. You could cover so many different topics from so many illuminating angles, too. Education, media, medicine, money, central banking, foundations, NGOs, our history of warfare, false-flags, 9/11, Operation Northwoods, Gulf of Tonkin, Pearl Harbor, the CIA, the Federal Reserve and BIS, Rockefeller, famous quotes, the fraud of state economics, 16th Amendment, etc... I'd donate my time to such an endeavor.

    Anyway, this response has been long enough. I figure I owe you, at the very least, a few words of encouragement for all the free reading I've done here and at Amazon. If you still decide to hang it up, you can be sure I'll be back to talk you out of it...

    - C&G

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  10. C&G ~
    Sometime tomorrow (or, actually, much later today) I will return and post a more appropriate and (hopefully) worthy reply to your excellent, excellent comment(s).

    But for now - as I prepare to sleep, perchance to dream - I will simply say that you write remarkably like my good friend Mr. ProdigalPaul Sheboyganboy Six. Which, by the way, means "extremely well". What do you think of the old 'Bob & Ray' radio show?

    I shall return ...tomorrow (er, later, much later today).

    ~ D-FensDogg
    'Loyal American Underground'

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    C&G ~
    >>The only notable connection between us is our (unfortunate?) city of residence. Like you, I live in the Phoenix area. To be more precise, Peoria.

    So "sorria" to hear that! Indeed, we are near neighbors - I live not far from the Metro Center Mall and my vehicle can be found moving along Peoria (Avenue? Boulevard?) 364 days a year.

    >>I've been reading your blog for almost a year but didn't put in the effort to become a follower until last month, and I did it because I didn't think 12 was enough for such a quality blog.

    Ahh, so you are this blog's most recent "Follower" then. Going by the initial "M"?

    >>For every follower I bet you have a handful of others who are too lazy to make it official.

    We shall find out. Tomorrow, I hope to post a new blog bit asking any secret "Followers" to speak up and show themselves. Depending upon the results of that "calling out", I will make a decision about the fate of this blog. I'm generally a "glass-B-half-empty" skeptic type, but I believe in evaluating all the available evidence before arriving at any conclusions.

    >>You have to admit the subject matter being discussed here requires a 'secret decoder ring', of sorts. It's the forbidden knowledge. The high-hanging, almost unreachable fruit.

    Hokey-Smoke, man! You write something like THAT and then you expect me to believe you when you later add: "I am not a writer." How dumb you think I is?

    >>For people to make use of this blog, there are certain prerequisites needed that can't be learned very easily or without prolonged effort. ... My only recommendation is for you to remember that many of your potential readers don't understand what you are trying to communicate to them, so it might be best to incorporate some of the prerequisite knowledge into each of your blog posts.

    You make a very perceptive point. But at the same time, the biggest complaint I have heard - over and over and over again - is that my blog posts are ALREADY too damn long. "What can a poor boy do but to play in a Rock 'N' Roll band?"

    >>Ha! That would be like a lifetime .200 hitter trying to carry the torch forward for Ted Williams.

    Well, your extreme compliment - misplaced though I think it is - is appreciated. Especially considering the fact that I think Ted Williams might well have been the greatest hitter of all time. (I see you know your baseball, too. Bravo!)

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    >>The freedom movement has tons of serious, solemn, and apocalyptic. What it needs is the "NWO for Dummies" approach. ... I'd donate my time to such an endeavor.

    Back in 2000, I did consider writing a book, but after reading Tal Brooke's "One World" in 2000 or 2001, I felt that the book I would have written had already been penned. Everything had already been put together between two covers. But if I understand you correctly, you're suggesting that I would not necessarily be producing anything new, but simply packaging it differently, utilizing my own smart-ass approach. Hmmm...

    Well, honestly, I LOVE your title, "The New World Order For Dummies". That IS funny! But... "Eenie Meanie Chili Beanie, the spirits are about to speak" - and as I gaze into my crystal ball I see... no book in my future. However, your offer of volunteering your services to such an endeavor OVERWHELMS me, and I mean that MOST SINCERELY! Thank you, friend, thank you. I guess I lack the confidence necessary and perhaps lack the belief that such a book is needed and could be useful. I'm not convinced that I have anything new to add that would be worthwhile or advantageous to the genuine patriot movement. But your confidence in me is - ...well, I don't want to fall apart and say something mushy and unmanly, so I will move on...

    But I must say that based upon your comment here, it is very difficult for me to believe that only two years ago you knew nothing or little about the NWO. You seem to display a very comprehensive understanding of the situation. Two years ago you were "ignint" to all this? How can that be?

    Also, you are OBVIOUSLY a good writer - you know what you're talking about, your punctuation is above reproach and your printing is precise and straight across! You write as well as I do and you also seem to know as much.

    I am very, VERY interested in reading some of the discussion boards in which you have participated. Will you please post a couple of URLs here for me to check out? I will not post anything on them myself, I simply want to see what you have said elsewhere and how others have responded to you.

    One last thing: Is "chartsandgrafs@yahoo.com" an Email address for you? And if so, would you prefer taking this offline and continuing our discussion privately?

    Again, I thank you for your comments. I am flattered (in a good way) by what you've written, even though I feel your estimation of my knowledge and ability is overreaching reality.

    ~ D-FensDogg
    'Loyal American Underground'

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  13. Great blog bit brother. Well researched, well written, and it really hit home. Nice work. I'm still working my way through Crossing the Rubicon so you'll have to forgive me for watching the videos later. Time is limited for me right now as you know.

    Something you said is something I've thought of as well. Far too many in this country don't react until it impacts them directly. Heck I used to be one of these people ten years ago. Watching your own son or daughter die as opposed to someone else's is only a matter of location. If everyone invested just a little the impact would be huge!!!! Sadly, most won't invest any of their time to even watch a video (not read a book, just watch a video).

    Your Billy Graham quote is fitting. People are going to love their sin up until the end. Think back on the old testament. No matter how much God did for the children of Israel they continued to cheat on him with other Gods. That's what the U.S. of America is doing. We have whored ourselves our to the pernicious gods of the NWO. Instead of loving the husband that gave us our freedom, peace, and security. Turning our backs on God to follow this path is no different than a women leaving the husband who loved and provided for her. Not only does she leave her husband but she shacks up with the pimp down the street who's going to beat her and whore her out for money. When the pimp is done with her he will disgard her like yesterdays trash. The U.S. could have stayed with the God who loved her.

    Nice blog, we should talk again soon.

    Br'er Marc

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  14. Good comment, BR'ER MARC.
    You've been missed around here, but your absence will be excused provided you bring a note from your doctor.

    '...Rubicon' is heavy duty. I know that's no quick, breezy read. But if you're thirsting for more after you finish that, check out David Icke's 'Alice In Wonderland And The World Trade Center Disaster' - particularly chapters 6 through 15. He nails so many of the overlooked 9/11 issues.

    Don't be a stranger, Stranger.

    ~ D-FensDogg
    'Loyal American Underground'

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  15. Well, I hope you were just in one of your cantankerous moods when you posted this piece here. I was impressed by the comments so far-- especially that of C & G.

    Just because you don't hear enough feedback doesn't mean you're not reaching anybody. As far as comments, you don't seem to invite them usually with reader involved questions or some kind of invite to say something back. A reader of one of your bits is probably often left at loss of what else to say.

    Something you say or suggest may have an effect. I've now got the "Loose Change" DVD at the top of my Netflix list. I'll tell you what I think after I watch it.

    Just so you don't get the wrong idea about what I'm doing, I watch very little TV, watch 1 or 2 movies a week with my wife, and really don't read as much as I would like to.

    I don't know how you find the time to watch all those videos and read those books and still work, but maybe you manage time better than I do.

    Cont---

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    I'll be honest with you--I think I have a reading disabiility. It sounds stupid in a way. Sure I can read fiction that is fast paced and uncomplicated, but when it comes to reading things with abstract ideas or lengthy explanations I get hung up and sometimes start reading the same thing over and over and not understanding it.

    I had a lot of trouble with this when I was in college. My shelves here at home are filled with non-fiction books that I try to read and it takes ages to read them. Narrative histories and biographies are usually okay, I guess because they are stories. But concepts and politics are a whole different deal for me.

    Maybe it's a matter of interest, or should I say lack of. I know that puts me in the mold of the despicable American populace who are blind, but maybe not to the degree that the article you quote describes.

    It's not so much that I'm apathetic--I love hearing conspiracy stories and all that--but as I've indicated in the past: What does that knowledge do for me? I guess I can tell others, but then what. What are people doing with the knowledge? What should they do?

    If God judges the U.S. ala Sodom and Gommorah, I don't think it will be so much because of politcal intrigue or conspiracy. That judgement will be a matter of consequence and we shall see what that is. In my opinion judgement from God will be more the collective sin of disregarding sinfulness such as abortion, homosexuality, and desecration of family values. But that's just my opinion.

    Anyway enough of my rambling. You're the one who got me into blogging and I'm grateful for that and the support you've given me and I hope we continue to have some kind of connection. And I say keep on blogging and have some patience with your audience.

    Now I need to get to bed.

    Lee
    Tossing It Out

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  17. r-LEE-b ~
    >>Well, I hope you were just in one of your cantankerous moods when you posted this piece here.

    Wot, me "cantankerous"? Shirely, you jest. Or perhaps yer thinkin' of my evil twin.

    >>A reader of one of your bits is probably often left at loss of what else to say.

    Well then I expect them to post a comment that says, "I don't know what to say." Is that axing too much?

    >>I've now got the "Loose Change" DVD at the top of my Netflix list. I'll tell you what I think after I watch it.

    See? There ya go, Lee! That's all I'm axin'. Thanks. You'll be a more learn-id person for watchin' it. You'll also be more depressed. But, hell, why should I be the only one? Misery loves company.

    >>Cont---

    Don't say, "Cont", Lee. Always think positive - say, "Con".

    As far as reading is concerned, well you do read The Bible, and that's the most important book of all. So you get good marks from me for that. (Not that marks from me should necessarily mean anything to anyone.)

    >>but as I've indicated in the past: What does that knowledge do for me? I guess I can tell others, but then what. What are people doing with the knowledge? What should they do?

    You tell a few friends and they tell a few friends, and so on, until we reach a point of critical mass in terms of the "informed" or "aware". And that's when REAL change can take place. But real change can NEVER take place where you have an uninformed and unaware populace.

    >>In my opinion judgement from God will be more the collective sin of disregarding sinfulness such as abortion, homosexuality, and desecration of family values. But that's just my opinion.

    Mmmm... I believe it will be a result of ALL sin, and sloth, and disregard of and lack of concern for our fellow man. Are we not told to love our neighbors as we love ourselves? And will we not answer for it if we don't?

    However, I agree, those you name are major issues. To me, especially abortion, which I absolutely detest with a hatred I can hardly even put into words.

    >>I hope we continue to have some kind of connection.

    OF COURSE, we're going to continue to have some kind of connection. What, do you think I was directing anything in this blog bit at you personally? Heck, I have about 15 friends who ignore my recommendations and my blog. Additionally, there are members of my own family - similar flesh and blood - who do the same thing.

    This blog bit was not directed at any one person. There are too many to name them all.

    And besides, I didn't write this blog bit anyway. It was composed by my cantankerous evil twin while I was in a state of deep, blissful, intoxicated sleep (i.e., I was passed-out; somebody served me some bad liquor.)

    ~ D-FensDogg
    'Loyal American Underground'

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  18. This is all too deep for me.

    You guys are way too high brow!

    I was okay with giving Stephen T. a high five and saying "Adios Motorscooter!"

    Now with all of your pleading, I'm gonna be expected to read more of these long-ass blog posts?

    You guys are cutting into my reality TV time!

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  19. On a serious note-haven't I told you more than once Mr. McDogg that you probably have a fair supply of lurkers out there?

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  20. DISCCONNECTED ~
    Well, we shall see, we shall see. If my "To The Unknown Reader" blog bit gets little or no response, it will show you and C&G to have been overly optimistic about lurkers and the assumed impact that my blog has had while I was unawarez. We shall see.

    ~ Mr. McDogg

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  21. Okay, I have watched Loose Change. It was a good documentary and was very convincing, which is what any successful documentary should be. That does not mean that I automatically believe everything I saw. Much of the evidence I have heard before and I have heard some arguments refuting some of the information presented here.

    Like you mentioned to me, the film would probably leave me feeling depressed. It did in the sense that in order to ever feel like I had reached what I felt to be the truth I would have to do huge amounts of research and I'm not up to the commitment of time and effort needed to do this research. I have placed a few more documentaries on the Netflix queue to try to get a broader grasp on the topic.

    What about the Roger Moore film? Have you watched that? I personally cannot stand Moore so I have not watched any of his films.

    Have you watched any 9/11 films that try to debunk the conspiracy theories? I'd like to watch one that debates the issues presented in Loose Change.

    There are sides to this story and many other stories and hundreds of agendas that are trying to be pushed on whomever will listen. Conspiracy theories have been suggested for almost every major historical event that has ever occurred and innovative minds can come up with many more.

    I'm not ready to swallow everything that sounds convincing. I have to know more and I guess that's part of what you've been saying--gather as much information as you can. I'm all for that, and always have been.


    Lee
    Tossing It Out

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    r-LEE-b ~
    Hey, first of all, I apologize for the delay in responding here. I was not deliberately ignoring your comment.

    What happened is that at the same time I approved this comment for posting, there were 3 or 4 other comments for another blog bit also pending approval. I approved and "published" all of them at once, but by the time I got done responding to the other 3 or 4, I had forgotten that 1 comment was for a different blog bit (this one!) So, I mistakenly thought I had replied to everything.

    Just now found this comment sitting here ignored, and patiently drumming its fingers and calling out, "Hellooooo! Is there anybody out there? Is anybody gonna notice me here, or what?!"

    >>...That does not mean that I automatically believe everything I saw. Much of the evidence I have heard before and I have heard some arguments refuting some of the information presented here.

    I wouldn't want you or anyone else to automatically believe everything after one viewing of one documentary. That would be irresponsible. But yes, some stuff has been challenged. For instance, there was a Popular Mechanics article that attempted to debunk the conspiracy theory. But be careful that you don't stop at the first supposed "debunking" because, as it happens, the Popular Mechanics argument was later challenged by others in an effort to debunk the debunkers.

    >>...I would have to do huge amounts of research and I'm not up to the commitment of time and effort needed to do this research.

    There are more important things to do with your time? But what if the government really did deliberately murder nearly 3,000 of its innocent citizens? What's more important than getting to the bottom of THAT? And what if one of those 3,000 had been your son or one of your daughters? And doesn't our Holy Bible tell us to "love your neighbor as yourself"? Shouldn't we then be as concerned about the murder of other parents' children as we would our own? Don't we, as citizens, have a DUTY to play watchdog over our government? Murder is murder, and don't you feel EVERY murderer ought to be brought to justice? What about a mass murderer who kills 3,000. He should be found MOST OF ALL, wouldn't you agree?

    >>...I have placed a few more documentaries on the Netflix queue to try to get a broader grasp on the topic.

    Well, Brother, I'm glad to learn that. I hope one of those other documentaries is "9/11: Press For Truth".

    >>...What about the Roger Moore film? Have you watched that? I personally cannot stand Moore so I have not watched any of his films.

    You mean Michael Moore, right? His movie "Fahrenheit 9/11"? I tried to watch it once. Got no more than 5 minutes into it, took it out of the DVD player and returned it to the rental shop. I won't waste my time on something that doesn't even at least PRETEND to be an objective analysis of a situation. Michael Moore's an ass and unworthy of my attention. Serious matters deserve serious filmmakers, not political hacks.

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    >>...Have you watched any 9/11 films that try to debunk the conspiracy theories?

    I've not watched films, but I've read some stuff that attempted to debunk the 9/11 theories. What I've seen has left me unimpressed and unconvinced.

    >>...Conspiracy theories have been suggested for almost every major historical event that has ever occurred and innovative minds can come up with many more.

    Well, Bro, even a cursory examination of known history proves that conspiracies are the rule, not the exception. Did not individual patriots in THIS country not conspire against King George III? How many events have transpired that were NOT the result of one kind of conspiracy or another? - Some legal, some not, some positive, some not. Business, religion, politics, persons working with others toward a similar goal is behind it all! History as we know it is a patchwork quilt of conspiracies.

    >>...I have to know more and I guess that's part of what you've been saying--gather as much information as you can.

    I believe you will find Occam's Razor always helpful in attempting to cut through the overgrowth of confusing details.

    As I have said before, Uncle Sam's "official" 9/11 story is so full of holes it's useful only as a colander. But you could ignore every single questionable issue and focus solely on one thing and still arrive at the inescapable fact that Uncle Sam is lying: World Trade Center Building #7.

    Study nothing but the question of what brought down Building #7 in the manner it came down and you will arrive at the same conclusion even without looking into all the other major problems with the official 9/11 story.

    Did you ever before, or have you ever since, seen or heard of a building coming down "Controlled Demolition-like" the way Building #7 did, as a result of scattered fires on a variety of different floors?

    My friend, Lee, Building #7 is the real "smoking gun" of 9/11. If the near instantaneous collapsing of that building can't be reasonably, logically explained, then Uncle Sam's entire story must be doubted from top to bottom.

    So, if you want to look into this puzzle but don't want to spend the time necessary to research every single disputed claim, I'd say focus solely on Building #7 and see where that takes you, Bro.

    ~ "Lonesome Dogg" McMe
    'Loyal American Underground'

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  24. Tonight I watched 9/11: Press For the Truth. Like the other film this was an excellent documentary with some very convincing evidence. The apathy of the people, the government, and the media does seem pretty amazing, but maybe there's a reason. The debate is not finalized for me, but the arguments do make me think.

    Lee
    Tossing It Out

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  25. Glad to hear that, LEE.
    I appreciate the fact that you've taken the time to view these documentaries. The two of them taken in tandem provide a pretty good overview of many of the troubling issues that Uncle Sam has yet to provide reasonable and satisfying answers for.

    On one hand, I can understand why people would prefer to look the other way and forget about it. Who really WANTS to face the truth that their own government might be capable of orchestrating or even just allowing a crime of this scope and nature to occur? It's much easier to go with the knee-jerk, jingoistic reaction and label anyone who would even propose the possibility of it as "un-patriotic" and "America-Haters".

    It was probably easier for me to come to grips with all of this than it is for most Americans, but that's only because prior to 9/11 I had already spent years looking into illegal and unethical activities of our so-called "leaders" and had already arrived at the conclusion that there was literally NOTHING that some of Uncle Sam's representatives wouldn't do in order to further their objectives.

    The possibility that Uncle Sam would knowingly look the other way, allowing an attack like this to occur, or even participate in the attack in one way or another, was not still foreign to my thinking on September 11, 2001. So, I was already mentally prepared to examine the evidence and go wherever it seemed to take me.

    ~ D-FensDogg
    'Loyal American Underground'

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  26. Another thing that I think has to be taken into consideration is that there is no "Uncle Sam" in the form of one person or even one specific group that we can pinpoint the responsibility upon. I think a lot of it is due to the collective incompetance, favors and dalliances of special interests, inheritance of historical precedence, lies and misdirections from all sides, etc.--which cumulatively brought about the consequences of 9/11 and the events that followed.

    I don't think there was any sinister intent on behalf of our government, but just the usual cover-our-ass thinking that comes from something like this and I think that seems rather evident from the facts cited in the doc I watched last night.

    But I keep an open mind and it's all worth thinking about. And as the Terror Timeline guy indicated, the information was basically all out there and someone just needs to put it all together. Sometimes people just are thinking that way prior to a bad event and don't bother to look at it after the fact either. Time and limited access prevents most of us from doing so.

    Lee
    Tossing It Out

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  27. BROTHER LEE ~
    I'm afraid that I can't agree with you there at all, my friend.

    I'm sure you've heard the term "The Shadow Government". That would be the REAL government that runs the show from behind the scenes. There IS such a thing (although a few of the frontmen and frontchicks are also on the inside of it).

    There are circles of Insiders within circles of Insiders. The White House and Congress represent the outer ring that we see daily, and they are the ones who take the fall - they are the ones we can point at and yell, "Incompetance, favors, dalliances of special interests, inheritance of historical precedence, lies and misdirections!" and it makes us feel better. Now we can go on our way and think to ourselves: It was just the usual incompetence, etc. Not a design that shows the marks of a conspiracy in high places. We're still pretty safe; Big Brother doesn't hate us."

    Again, I say it: "Apply Occam's Razor!" Do you really believe that innumerable acts of incompetence led to this disaster? Was it lots and lots of coincidences and lots and lots of acts of incompentence on our multi-billion dollar security agencies? Or was it just a conspiracy of a handful of highly-placed and like-minded persons? Are you a "Coincidence Theorist"? Apply Occam's Razor.

    And furthermore...BUILDING #7. If that building was wired to come down (and I have seen not a shred of evidence nor read a single logical argument to convince me otherwise), then it was wired by persons who were acting on the directions of a person or a group.

    If BUILDING #7 was a controlled demolition, then, Lee, I don't care how many times you try to tell yourself that there was no "sinister intent on behalf of our government, but just the usual cover-our-ass thinking that comes from something like this", you will never convince me of that, and worse, probably never really fool yourself into believing that either.

    BUILDING #7 is the smoking gun! How did that building come down like that? I am certain that a sinister conspiracy will be found in your eventual answer.

    ~ D-FensDogg
    'Loyal American Underground'

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  28. Just a big 'thank you' for having this page here. We need many more. Thank you for the links too.
    Please keep up the good work.

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  29. TEXTURE ~
    Thanks for caring!

    ~ D-FensDogg
    'Loyal American Underground'

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